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to the Admiral I just wanted to make

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sure we addressed this from the White

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House I know there have been questions

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and and concerns about this but there is

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no again no indication of aliens or

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extraterrestrial activity with these

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recent takedowns again there is no

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indication of aliens or terrestrial

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activity with these recent takedowns

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wanted to make sure that the American

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people knew that all of you knew that

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and it was important for us to say that

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from here because we've been hearing a

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lot about it

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um I I I'm not

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would you tell us I'm just you know I

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loved E.T the movie but I'm just gonna

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leave it there the President also

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instructed the intelligence Community to

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take a broad look at the phenomenon of

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unidentified aerial objects

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indeed President Biden conducted the

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first ever daily intelligence briefing

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session devoted to this phenomenon back

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in June of 2021. he was brief that this

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is not just an issue for the United

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and as I said our friends and our

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partners are dealing with this as well

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we worked on a bipartisan basis to stand

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up an office at the Pentagon to study

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in partnership with the intelligence

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these unidentified aerial phenomena have

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been reported for many years without

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President Biden has changed all that

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we are finally trying to understand them

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with all due respect to the Air Force I

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what's up everybody thanks for joining

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me on this Monday afternoon at a little

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104 PM Central but I hope that's close

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enough for you

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um we have had quite a time with all

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these Chinese balloons and objects

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flying around the nation so I thought it

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would be good to just maybe touch on

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that a little bit bring in I would say

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uh Flying Saucer Aficionado uh historian

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and author uh Graham Randall to kind of

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Enlighten us maybe

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are there things from the past that we

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can you know take and and maybe apply to

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what's going on now with everything

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happening you know as far as the

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Pentagon the government not being able

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to tell us much about some of the

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objects it could really easily go into

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flag saucer alien mode right

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um and that's why I call this video flag

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saucer fever it's it's not that I'm

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saying that um you know there's uh Alien

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unidentified flying objects and

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sometimes with that and with the lack of

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information people can kind of fill in

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Grays there's Grays all the different uh

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I'm gonna bring him and you can check

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the description for his information he's

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an author of three uh Flags officer UFO

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books which are just fantastic

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nitty-gritty of the past in blue book

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reports and pilot reports I definitely

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recommend purchasing those books they're

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great fantastic reads

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kind of make up their mind and and and

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what to take from the knowledge and

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parts on you so I really do appreciate

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that so without further Ado I'm gonna

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the men the myth

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in the legend Mr Graham how are you sir

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I can't even get my words out tonight

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thank you very much for the invitation

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um yet I'm still in the coffee but the

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night is young okay good good yeah uh if

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Vinnie was here we would have some wine

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kind of last minute I didn't really

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necessarily plan on it either but I

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really appreciate that you're agile and

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flexible and able to do this because you

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knowledge of the subject that I thought

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incursions in North America so

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conference a little bit

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first one was was kind of to show that

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there is some stigma that still exists

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saucers and Aliens as a joke and

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global phenomenon and we're finally

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generally UFOs uh by definition are

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unidentified flying objects and UAP are

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unidentified Arrow phenomena so until

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questions they're not that you know sort

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reaction to what's going on in your over

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your country so therefore they go you

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public eye and if if he hadn't seen it

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it or whatever then chances are you know

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somebody might have you know everybody

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flying over and everybody going yeah

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yeah exactly so therefore you can write

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similarity in there and it you know I

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this are so unfamiliar with the history

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questions to ask there's a there's a lot

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more uh pointed things that that you

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all the radar anomaly

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freaking cases in Project Blue Book

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thousand miles per hour they send up

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now you know and there's nothing there

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history and apply here what are some of

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the similarities what how do we identify

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the differences you brought a historian

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talk about UFOs here but we're just

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you've got the iron curtains come down

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are trying to see what each other are

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doing and it's easier said than done

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especially when the Americans are trying

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got quite good air defenses in terms of

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you know shooting down any like American

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bomber long-range aircraft that could

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fly over Russia and so the track the

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Americans your guys are trying to find a

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way of being able to get some kind of

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reconnaissance platform over Russia and

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this is obviously before spy satellites

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the first satellite didn't go around the

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earth until 1957 when Sputnik and of

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course the Americans were slightly

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slightly behind the curve in terms of

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getting their own space program together

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it came a lot afterwards but it wasn't

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as quick as the Russians so before that

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in the 10 years older before that when

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you know the Americans are still trying

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to work out what's happening behind the

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Iron Curtain they can't really send

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aircraft out too far because the

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Russians can easily shut them down not

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necessarily missiles but with

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interceptors and yes there were some

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attempts to send a conventional jet

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aircraft across from America and from

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Britain uh in the in the sort of really

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early 50s so like 50 51 time to time

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um and it got even to the point where

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the Americans handed us the RAF some um

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b-45 tornadoes they were twin Jets and

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reconnaissance aircraft and like bomber

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and we put RAF markings on them and we

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flew them over part of western Russia to

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look at sensitive sites and they nearly

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got shot down it was it was quite lucky

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actually the pilots didn't get downed

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um so this kind of thing happened and

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then of course there was some flights

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around the borders and some aircraft you

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know some NATO aircraft got shut down

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because the Russians didn't like uh

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planes being right on their border or

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just sort of little incursions so but

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you still couldn't get very far into

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Russia you certainly couldn't get Beyond

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Moscow you couldn't get into the Ural

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Mountains you couldn't get across to

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another city base and settler Russia

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and there's a lot you know nobody knew

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what was happening in those areas so

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they came up with an idea of using

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balloons and there were various programs

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that came up with now you've heard of

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Mogul because of that kind of Roswell

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that's high altitude experiments and

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there were some other ones which were

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effectively a high altitude balloon with

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an instrument package underneath it so

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cameras basically

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um and they were they came up with

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various names there was certain there

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was different types of project there was

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one that was called uh project ws119l

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which I think also went under the name

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of genetrix but there was also another

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one called Moby Dick and essentially

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what they did was they would launch

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balloons from either America or there

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was a place in Britain where they did it

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and Norway turkey and they would float

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using the the prevailing winds to that

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they would go to altitude and then it

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would fly over Russia and the idea was

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that it would Splash it would either be

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they would come down to the Pacific

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Ocean or possibly of the continental

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United States or they could have a

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Contraption fitted to the front of an

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airplane which would effectively the

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sort of um catch the cable with the

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instrument package and it would catch it

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in mid-air if you like it was like

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either of that or a big net or something

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that had some kind of specialized

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delivery system uh collection system so

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the idea was that the blue over the

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Soviet Union take pictures and they'd

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retrieve the film

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now these balloons didn't really work

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too well um but they did try it they

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tried over a number of years but

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ultimately it wasn't successful when spy

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Cyrus spouse satellites came along it

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was much easier the only thing with spy

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satellites are that you can you know

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when they're coming over because you can

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track their position and you can track

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the duration that they're going to be

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over a certain area so if you've got

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um a facility like say Area 51 for

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instance and you've got aircraft that

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are being tested there that you don't

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want the Russians to see then what you

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do is you know when the the satellites

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coming over you put it in a hangar and

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then when the satellite gets out of the

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range you pull the aircraft out again

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and start doing what you're going to do

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with it and that's the little game they

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used to play

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um with various sensitive facilities

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right throughout the rest of the Cold

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War when satellites were being used by

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all sides the thing is nowadays that

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talking about the fact that balloons

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seem to be coming back in terms of what

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they can do

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because Spike satellites are on fixed

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gestures you can't make them hover

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um they can be so they can sit in one

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place but spy site lights tend to move

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um because they get you know better

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coverage and all the rest of it so

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balloons do have their place in in kind

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of modern Espionage if you like because

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they can lighter longer so they can stay

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in in one relative position a bit longer

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and apparently they can even maneuver if

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you have little sort of packages

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underneath with with propellers and

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motors and stuff like that so there are

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ways to do it

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so there you go in a nutshell there's

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the whole idea of a lot of this is kind

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of reconnaissance and this has been

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happening for a long time it's never

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gone away

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right chances are that somewhere along

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the line balloons might have been used

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over a long period of time and we may

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just be finding out now or there's been

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some kind of resurgence in it and the

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you know the Chinese or the Russians are

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both have decided to let's say oh

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they're dust off this program and start

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using them

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um I was listening to a radio uh our

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radio news in the UK and the UK a couple

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of hours ago and they were talking about

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a Chinese facility and a Chinese

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scientist who a few years ago was

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promoting and actually experimenting

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with you know high altitude balloons for

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this kind of purpose so yeah it's come

430
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back and of course

431
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um the likes of Chris Mellon who was

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talking about you know we need to change

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the filters on um you know your tracking

434
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Services the NORAD for the missile

435
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tracking because it might be able to

436
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pick up AP if we change the parameters

437
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of the radar search well as soon as they

438
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do it and guess what they start finding

439
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lots of other things don't they yeah

440
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that that was quite uh amazing like

441
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whenever first kind of saw his tweet too

442
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like the the first thing I thought was

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this is ridiculous like how would they

444
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not have radar

445
00:17:02,329 --> 00:17:00,240
you know that could track balloons or or

446
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even drones for that matter you know

447
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that that could come over our country

448
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because of what could happen a potential

449
00:17:11,390 --> 00:17:09,780
disaster or you know that could happen

450
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with something like that and the thing I

451
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thought of was you know fugo balloons

452
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from World War II where they you know

453
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they tried they're basically bomb

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balloons that they that they shot over

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the ocean to come on over here and

456
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that's

457
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you know something like that

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which is a lot more sophisticated and

459
00:17:31,490 --> 00:17:29,400
Well Done could be very dangerous oh

460
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true yeah I mean and nowadays you know

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the idea of a fuga which is a basically

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a balloon with a bombs an incendiary

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bomb like underneath it was never going

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to be anything that would work nowadays

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back in the day the Japanese were using

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them because they want to set fire to

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the forests the Northwest Pacific that

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was the idea

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um and there was a few people killed on

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the ground who basically found the

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packages and and wanted to see what they

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were and they exploded in the face kind

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of thing and again killed them but um

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beyond that you know they're not that

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effective weapon but if you want to sort

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of you know scare people and if you're

477
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wanting to tie up an air defense of

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another country and you want to make

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them run around in circles trying to

480
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work out what the hell's going on this

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is an ideal way of doing it yeah yeah

482
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there's there's various schools of

483
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thought as to why this is particularly

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happening now

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um obviously we've got the war in

486
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Ukraine that's going on we have the the

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kind of you know the tensions of Taiwan

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so you can understand why a essential

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adversary of the United States would

490
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want to sort of throw things into the

491
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mix and saw some confusion and you know

492
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all the rest of it and just you know

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sort of ramp up the kind of the tension

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a bit

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um Without Really committing much in the

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way of forces you know it doesn't matter

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if a few of their balloons are shot down

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that you know your guys aren't going to

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go to war with China because they've

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sent some balloons over you yeah it

501
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doesn't work that way does it yeah no

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and that reminds me of like uh I was

503
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searching some of the old uh news

504
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archives I'm trying to find something

505
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kind of relatable and one thing I

506
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stumbled across and uh maybe I'll

507
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remember this maybe not but it seems

508
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like it was almost 20 years ago or so

509
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now uh we had a plane over

510
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um kind of by China and you know like we

511
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see now they sent uh a jet after it you

512
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know or yeah and they bumped and they

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crashed and that was seemed like it was

514
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a pretty huge international incident and

515
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yeah that didn't turn out the war so no

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but that's the thing with this because

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these are unmanned or presumably

518
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unmanned these you know these crafts so

519
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therefore there's no kind of risk

520
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involved in terms of you know humans

521
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being killed and that that that's the

522
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kind of thing when you put the human

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element into it that's what it Sparks

524
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off things

525
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um but let's you know you were talking

526
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before about radar and cases where

527
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you just go yeah go back to the 50s

528
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again uh or the late 40s and see the

529
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amount of the cases that appeared in

530
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Project sign project Grudge and Project

531
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Blue Book that were written off as

532
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balloons right even though on the ground

533
00:20:05,090 --> 00:20:03,360
the they couldn't find balloon launches

534
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,100
that match the profile and sometimes the

535
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colors of the balloons meant that they

536
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were they were black and there were they

537
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wouldn't been seen and so ignite let's

538
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say when Pilots were reporting seeing

539
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strange things and then of course as we

540
00:20:20,029 --> 00:20:17,280
mentioned before as well radar cases

541
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that were written off as anomalies where

542
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it offers ground clearly written off as

543
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um you know Pro um problems with the

544
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actual Machinery with the radar sense

545
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but was that the case yeah I'm always

546
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wondering if it was especially when you

547
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get into some of these uh old blue book

548
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reports or where they show a you know

549
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radar anomalies anomalous propagation

550
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and they talked to the radar operators

551
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:47,640
yeah and they're certain they say I know

552
00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:49,440
what anomalous propagation looks like

553
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,200
you know I I've seen all the different

554
00:20:56,330 --> 00:20:54,000
things I can see and this is different

555
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:56,340
I've never seen anything like this

556
00:21:03,169 --> 00:20:59,760
before but you know on the other hand

557
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:03,179
what are you supposed to do if you you

558
00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:06,720
know Vector Jets you know to where the

559
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,280
radar targets are and there's nothing

560
00:21:12,169 --> 00:21:10,799
there like what what are you supposed to

561
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:12,179
do and something's moving at seven

562
00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:13,679
thousand miles per hour that shouldn't

563
00:21:19,250 --> 00:21:17,160
be possible like you know it's uh it's

564
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:19,260
crazy but but I totally thought of that

565
00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:20,820
in regards to the Montana incident

566
00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:22,980
because it made me think like

567
00:21:26,750 --> 00:21:25,320
how many times has this sort of thing

568
00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:26,760
happened before you know and that's

569
00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:28,620
actually that's actually the the most

570
00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:30,900
interesting object of all of them so far

571
00:21:36,049 --> 00:21:33,780
to me is because

572
00:21:38,029 --> 00:21:36,059
they got hit with a radar track over

573
00:21:40,130 --> 00:21:38,039
like Mouse from sensitive airspace right

574
00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:40,140
how many UFO things have we seen at that

575
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,260
base so many that's right and they they

576
00:21:46,610 --> 00:21:44,880
couldn't find it they lost the track so

577
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:46,620
they called it a radar anomaly they went

578
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,919
public with this too for whatever reason

579
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:51,600
um and then it winds up over in Michigan

580
00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:54,240
so that and what they're saying is at

581
00:21:58,850 --> 00:21:55,980
least in this last press conference and

582
00:22:00,890 --> 00:21:58,860
that it seems like these objects are

583
00:22:02,510 --> 00:22:00,900
moving with the prevailing winds you

584
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:02,520
know they're just going along with the

585
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:05,100
winds so the the thing I'm thinking is

586
00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:07,919
like first of all like how does this

587
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,200
thing stay in the air how does it how do

588
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,000
you lose radar and something that would

589
00:22:16,909 --> 00:22:14,640
be you know going that slow over a super

590
00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:16,919
sensitive site and then how does it end

591
00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:19,020
up the next day all the way over in

592
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,000
Michigan it's still a relatively high

593
00:22:25,370 --> 00:22:24,000
altitude you know like what is powering

594
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,380
this thing and how does it do something

595
00:22:29,450 --> 00:22:27,120
like that and then it's an octagon

596
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:29,460
apparently with strings falling from it

597
00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:32,880
but that's you know and this is I'm

598
00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:34,260
getting off track but this is one of the

599
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,360
most frustrating Parts about this stuff

600
00:22:39,890 --> 00:22:38,159
too is there's so many

601
00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:39,900
how did some of these people have

602
00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:42,179
sources where they're getting you know

603
00:22:48,169 --> 00:22:44,820
descriptions of the objects like minutes

604
00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:48,179
after that after it happens you know and

605
00:22:52,570 --> 00:22:50,460
there's always unknown sources like uh

606
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:52,580
cylindrical over in Alaska or whatever

607
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:55,980
or the Yukon and then octagon with

608
00:23:01,789 --> 00:22:59,039
strings Comet from it over here Jeremy

609
00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:01,799
corbell's Dr majelli fish UFOs we're

610
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:03,780
shooting them down what the hell is

611
00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:04,860
going on

612
00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:07,320
it seems a lot of different kind of

613
00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:10,020
platforms at play maybe you know if if

614
00:23:12,649 --> 00:23:11,340
it is like China they're sending them

615
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:12,659
across maybe they're experimenting with

616
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:14,520
a lot of different platforms

617
00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:16,140
um in terms of I mean just going quickly

618
00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:17,700
back to the the balloon experiments from

619
00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:19,080
the 50s that were sending over Russia

620
00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:20,520
the Russians could actually shoot some

621
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,380
of them down in the evening because in

622
00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:24,960
in the balloons would actually sink

623
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,820
um when it got um you're sort of it was

624
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,799
getting dark because of the way that the

625
00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:30,720
the air currents and the pressure inside

626
00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:32,820
the bloom works I'm not entirely sure

627
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:34,740
exactly how it works but I'm not a

628
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:36,840
meteorologist but the balloons would

629
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:39,600
sink as a as towards the end of the day

630
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,220
and then the morning they would climb up

631
00:23:45,529 --> 00:23:43,679
again it's just the way it worked so you

632
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:45,539
can understand why things might go down

633
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:47,640
up and down through the altitudes and of

634
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:49,020
course they may have a semblance of

635
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,640
control obviously you're saying they're

636
00:23:54,529 --> 00:23:52,559
going you know they're being used in the

637
00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:54,539
prevailing winds but they might have

638
00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:56,940
enough kind of control that they've got

639
00:24:02,690 --> 00:23:59,940
a little bit of movement within that

640
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,700
um you know because if you if you strap

641
00:24:05,049 --> 00:24:04,080
on a little kind of I don't know a

642
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,059
little Electric

643
00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:07,919
with a few propellers you can probably

644
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,960
steer one of these things to a certain

645
00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:11,760
degree you won't be able to change its

646
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:13,320
overall direction but you might be able

647
00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:15,480
to move it out you know out of out of

648
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,880
its direction by a few degrees either

649
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,919
way and that might be enough just to get

650
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:22,080
it over exactly where you want it

651
00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:23,940
um because I presume if it is something

652
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,039
that it's you know the Chinese Ascent

653
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,080
that it's sending information back to

654
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:30,960
them via whichever means so there's a

655
00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:32,460
whole lot of stuff going on there but

656
00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:34,020
you're right you know if there's

657
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,020
different packages then that just adds

658
00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:38,640
confusion everything else as well

659
00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:41,280
because yes okay the first one was a spy

660
00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:42,900
balloon and it had that array underneath

661
00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:44,820
it which was clearly some kind of sensor

662
00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:47,880
or multiple sensors and maybe

663
00:24:52,510 --> 00:24:50,580
Communications as well but these other

664
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:52,520
things don't seem to have that kind of

665
00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:56,159
underslung instrument package so what

666
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:57,419
are they

667
00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:00,480
kind of

668
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,419
stat that's a fancy it covers balloons

669
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,400
airships and a lot of other things right

670
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:10,080
are they testing some kind of platform

671
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,260
that has some other kind of capabilities

672
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:16,080
um you know just to see how that how the

673
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,059
Air Force react against them or is it

674
00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:20,640
something else entirely we're not which

675
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:21,900
simply don't know at the moment Sean

676
00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:22,860
because we just don't have an

677
00:25:27,370 --> 00:25:25,020
information and they're not saying yeah

678
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,380
yeah and apparently

679
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,480
there's no there's been no

680
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:33,600
uh tracks today of anything but um you

681
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,820
know it would just be so

682
00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:38,159
incredibly hard to

683
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:40,860
uh believe that once they open up those

684
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:43,080
Radars you know for slower moving

685
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:46,799
objects uh at particular altitudes in

686
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:49,380
certain size objects smaller objects

687
00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:50,100
um

688
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:51,539
you know it would be very hard to

689
00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:53,820
believe that this would be

690
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,039
you know it could go a couple ways

691
00:26:02,090 --> 00:25:58,320
really either they're all over the place

692
00:26:04,010 --> 00:26:02,100
and we're just now finding out or it's

693
00:26:06,769 --> 00:26:04,020
uh instigated because of recent tensions

694
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:06,779
with with China it's one question yeah

695
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:09,299
the other question is how long has it

696
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,460
been going on for right you know was

697
00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:13,919
that first Chinese Bible in the the was

698
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:15,419
actually the first one or have there

699
00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:17,880
been other ones yeah you know women were

700
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:19,140
talking before about the fact it was

701
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,700
just chance it was seen and photographed

702
00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:22,080
and all the rest of it you know had

703
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:23,460
there been other ones

704
00:26:30,010 --> 00:26:26,880
other parts of the world as well so yeah

705
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:30,020
it's it's a yeah

706
00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:33,720
it's kind of like psychological warfare

707
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:35,700
kind of thing we're trying to send oh no

708
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:39,120
we've got 10 10 U.S balloons over our

709
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,980
airspace in the in the past couple years

710
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:43,200
or whatever they said and and we're

711
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:45,480
gonna shoot one down now they the other

712
00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:47,940
day they said that or you know but then

713
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:49,380
you asked John Kirby at the press

714
00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:52,620
conference and he said no yeah but the

715
00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:54,779
interesting part about it is and the

716
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:55,980
reporter did a good job with this

717
00:27:02,570 --> 00:26:59,520
question because uh you know Kirby said

718
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:02,580
not over China airspace right Chinese

719
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:04,740
airspace And the reporter was like yes

720
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:07,980
but you know basically I you know I'm

721
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:10,559
just um

722
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:12,840
um well basically he just said

723
00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:14,820
um China has a different idea of what

724
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:18,360
their airspace is you know so as have

725
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,760
your balloons or anything been in what

726
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:23,520
they consider their airspace and John

727
00:27:39,130 --> 00:27:26,100
Kirby just replied we have not ever sent

728
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:41,870
the P3 Orion that got bumped by the

729
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:43,620
Chinese fighter

730
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:46,860
um you know they cut they you're US Navy

731
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:49,380
and and the Air Force do send aircraft

732
00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:51,659
to the borders of what you consider

733
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:54,299
still to be Chinese airspace uh I know

734
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:55,620
that they have a different idea about

735
00:27:59,149 --> 00:27:57,240
what what their kind of territorial

736
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,159
limits are but

737
00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:01,559
it does happen and and obviously the

738
00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:03,779
Royal Navy sent ships through the area

739
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,059
um a year or two ago uh to actually um

740
00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:07,679
enforce the law of the sea kind of thing

741
00:28:12,169 --> 00:28:10,140
so it's not as if we need a balloon to

742
00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:12,179
do that you know or you need a balloon

743
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:14,340
to do that so they're quite capable of

744
00:28:17,149 --> 00:28:15,840
sending aircraft so we're just wondering

745
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,159
what the kind of gain is for the

746
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:19,679
Americans to send a balloon over China

747
00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:21,720
um you know but notwithstanding the

748
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,919
conversation we just had before about

749
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:24,480
the fact that they can lighter a bit

750
00:28:27,730 --> 00:28:26,580
more than Spicer lights can but it just

751
00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:27,740
seems like

752
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:30,120
you know it's a bit of a propaganda

753
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:32,039
queue if the Chinese would say oh that

754
00:28:36,169 --> 00:28:34,380
we'll shut down this American Balloon

755
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:36,179
um but there's a question is why haven't

756
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,500
they done it already if they had 10

757
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:39,600
because I don't think I don't think the

758
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:41,640
Chinese would be as reluct as a kind of

759
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:43,260
reluctant to shoot them down over land

760
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,240
as the Americans were in case the

761
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:48,000
civilian casualties all around

762
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:50,520
um now the next question is though how

763
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,260
many people live in Montana and what's

764
00:28:58,370 --> 00:28:55,200
the population density is it like one

765
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:58,380
every twenty I don't know it's a lot

766
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:00,600
yeah very small isn't it

767
00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:03,900
um okay but you get my point though the

768
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,220
Chinese wouldn't be as squeamish would

769
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:07,440
they so they would shut down and you

770
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:08,700
know and deal with the consequences

771
00:29:15,409 --> 00:29:12,480
later on so I wonder why if they have

772
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:15,419
had 10 and it's a big if if they had 10

773
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:16,980
beforehand why they haven't tried to

774
00:29:20,930 --> 00:29:18,840
shoot one down is it because they can't

775
00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:20,940
I'd do they have aircraft that can fly

776
00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:23,159
that high and send a missile up

777
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:25,320
um or is it just um the fact that

778
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,299
they're just putting that out there to

779
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:30,000
try and kind of sow confusion again and

780
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,039
say look well we've had them as well and

781
00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:34,320
it muddies the waters as to where those

782
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,200
latest three are actually theirs or not

783
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:38,640
yeah yeah and that'll be very

784
00:29:42,649 --> 00:29:40,380
interesting to find out more about those

785
00:29:45,649 --> 00:29:42,659
objects hopefully we can I mean because

786
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:45,659
the longer it does go on I think uh the

787
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:48,419
the more fantastic stories that you know

788
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:50,460
become and I'm I'm also very surprised

789
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:52,440
how public everything has been and I

790
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:54,840
think that goes back to

791
00:29:58,730 --> 00:29:56,760
um what you said about that the civilian

792
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:58,740
Montana guy who started it off by taking

793
00:30:02,330 --> 00:30:00,600
a picture of the balloon and now it's

794
00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:02,340
like they almost have to be public with

795
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:04,679
this stuff I guess but you know back in

796
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:06,059
the day the Blue Book days or whatever

797
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:08,340
none of that stuff was public unless it

798
00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:10,260
leaked to the Press already and then

799
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:12,120
they would actually investigate the case

800
00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:13,679
but

801
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:16,260
um you know so I think I think today I

802
00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:17,700
think I think today with social media

803
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:19,799
it's much easier if something did just

804
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:21,779
drift across the country and it wasn't

805
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,640
going to disappear like overnight or

806
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,679
disappear within the wink of an eye then

807
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:27,840
what people are going to see it track it

808
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:30,840
over days and that's what happened in

809
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:33,240
the first instance people say like why

810
00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:36,360
doesn't this happen with uh you know uh

811
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:39,299
a phenomenon that that is you know

812
00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:42,120
non-human like if if we can do that with

813
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:45,539
a balloon or or whatever like uh we

814
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:47,100
don't have pictures of that why isn't

815
00:30:50,210 --> 00:30:48,600
you know the government coming forth

816
00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:50,220
with that if it exists you know the

817
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:51,659
thing is you see we don't know what

818
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:53,940
exists in terms of like photography

819
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:57,000
layer of images of previous events we

820
00:31:00,529 --> 00:30:58,980
have no idea we go on the Blue Book

821
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,539
records and we go on

822
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:02,159
um you know the the projects before that

823
00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:04,260
and there's rumors of pictures being

824
00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:05,880
taken but we've never seen them for

825
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:07,860
certain events

826
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:09,240
um there are there's information from

827
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:11,340
files which has been redacted you know

828
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:12,840
we know there are files which are

829
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,980
missing

830
00:31:18,889 --> 00:31:16,080
um which have information about reports

831
00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:18,899
you and I both know that so there there

832
00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:20,460
is information out there that still

833
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:22,500
hasn't been divulged and we still don't

834
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,380
have things like the 23 sort of you know

835
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,880
minute video or all this kind of stuff

836
00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:29,039
do we so there's a whole lot of

837
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:30,779
information out there which still hasn't

838
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,020
come into the public realm and until it

839
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:35,760
does then we're still guessing about a

840
00:31:39,769 --> 00:31:37,559
lot of this but the things we don't know

841
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,779
are that you know for a while

842
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,580
um like Lou Alexander who's been saying

843
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,440
that the government dropped the ball on

844
00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:45,240
on basically you're sort of taking this

845
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:47,159
kind of thing seriously and then when

846
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:49,260
they did they start finding things and

847
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,299
then it's only taken you know recently

848
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:52,799
for them to actually take the gloves off

849
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:55,020
the radar and then finding a whole load

850
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,580
of other things so this is what we both

851
00:32:01,850 --> 00:31:59,039
Lou and also Chris Mellon have been

852
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:01,860
advocating for for a few years now

853
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:04,140
um yeah so would you would you know I

854
00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:05,340
don't know how you feel I like it

855
00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:07,320
probably guess how you feel but

856
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,260
um all this stuff is is

857
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,000
to me even though like what I want to

858
00:32:15,769 --> 00:32:14,159
learn about is is the tough stuff right

859
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:15,779
the actual

860
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,340
um odd Phenomenon with weird

861
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:18,960
characteristics and all that kind of

862
00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:22,559
stuff but um you know it's still

863
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:26,460
this is definitely Vindication for you

864
00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:29,460
know Lou Chris melon of course the other

865
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,580
in company who you know went forward to

866
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:35,039
get this in Congress because uh in the

867
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:36,840
end and so many people were saying this

868
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,059
the whole freaking time even though

869
00:32:43,789 --> 00:32:41,039
debunkers wouldn't pay attention to it

870
00:32:45,649 --> 00:32:43,799
is whether it's Chinese drones whether

871
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:45,659
it's

872
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:47,880
um you know alien spaceships whatever it

873
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:49,799
is we got to find out what it is and

874
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:52,200
protect our country basically you know

875
00:32:59,389 --> 00:32:56,340
so this is a win-win whatever we find

876
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,399
and here we are we find this stuff and

877
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:01,200
it wouldn't have been found without

878
00:33:06,649 --> 00:33:04,559
without that Focus I I highly doubt we

879
00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:06,659
would be here without that focus on this

880
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:09,659
sort of thing so you know uh that along

881
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,399
with you know Lou elizondo's interview

882
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:13,919
with the IG coming out clearly stating

883
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:17,220
that atip existed and he let it

884
00:33:21,409 --> 00:33:19,740
um I think this is kind of a a big

885
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:21,419
moment

886
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:24,659
um for his kind of The Saga within this

887
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:25,980
realm was it with so many people

888
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:27,779
doubting it how do you feel

889
00:33:33,769 --> 00:33:32,159
I I agree totally I think it's it

890
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:33,779
it's weird because a lot of people have

891
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:35,100
been trying to

892
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:37,260
um you know sort of suggest that Lou if

893
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,820
the Charlton and Clinton's not

894
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,320
everything you know to say has been a

895
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:42,000
Vindication of what he what he said and

896
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:44,340
what he stood for and what he did and it

897
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,919
it's it's very strange that even they've

898
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,720
been very quiet recently or maybe just

899
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:50,159
the fact that I'm mute them I don't know

900
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,880
yeah I'm black one or two at least so

901
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:55,919
yeah just give me a second Sean I'm just

902
00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:57,419
going to turn my uh I'm just going to

903
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,640
tell my plug on because my battery on my

904
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:01,200
laptop's just going a bit low at the

905
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:04,559
second time oh yeah that's that's okay

906
00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:07,980
um so while he's doing that

907
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:10,379
I can just tell you that even though

908
00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:13,080
that a lot these objects most likely are

909
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:15,540
uh prosaic right

910
00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:17,220
um it's still

911
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:20,359
I can't help but be excited right

912
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,639
so again I'll be excited because I feel

913
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,919
like the more they do this the more they

914
00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:28,320
look at this stuff the more likely it is

915
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:31,619
for them to to get a grasp on you know

916
00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:34,020
this phenomenon that John Kirby

917
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,879
discussed at the press conference that

918
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,919
is very real and global

919
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,540
and it's amazing now that they're

920
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:41,040
actually coming out and saying you know

921
00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:43,859
the phenomenon like UAP are real yes

922
00:34:48,649 --> 00:34:45,480
okay they might turn out still to be

923
00:34:50,329 --> 00:34:48,659
Chinese five balloons but we need that

924
00:34:52,609 --> 00:34:50,339
kind of you know sort of realization

925
00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:52,619
that maybe not everything is but you

926
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,540
still have to check and that's what

927
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,359
we've all been pushing for recently it's

928
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:59,520
I personally I don't think these are

929
00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:00,839
some kind of non-human intelligence

930
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:02,339
these things have been shot down over

931
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:04,080
the states I might be wrong about that

932
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,140
but I don't think I am however we still

933
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,599
need to you know be chasing after these

934
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,280
things and also everything else that

935
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:13,920
comes up as well because otherwise you

936
00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:15,720
might as well not bother having the the

937
00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:17,400
investigation program if you're just

938
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:19,380
going to sit and talk and say oh well

939
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,940
they're nothing to worry about because

940
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,740
we've been through all that before we

941
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:24,240
went through all that with blue book

942
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:25,980
Sign Language yeah at the end of the day

943
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:27,060
they just went oh there's nothing to

944
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:28,859
worry about don't bother and in the UK

945
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:31,680
they even shot shut down the UFO desk

946
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:34,260
because that it was a case of well we've

947
00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:35,700
got better things to spend the money on

948
00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:37,140
and we're not we're not coming up with

949
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:38,700
anything but really were you

950
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,920
investigating it effectively enough to

951
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:42,720
actually find things or were you just

952
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:44,220
coming along with a kind of dismissive

953
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:46,140
attitude anyway and therefore you would

954
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,520
you would get what you were looking for

955
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:50,160
nothing yeah yeah and I'll say that's

956
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:52,200
what the the Blue Book effectively um

957
00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:53,820
sort of came up with because you had a

958
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,619
recommendations that it should be shut

959
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:57,119
down because they weren't finding

960
00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:58,980
anything but actually they weren't

961
00:36:02,089 --> 00:36:00,660
really looking you know they were just

962
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:02,099
pressing everything as a weather balloon

963
00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:04,380
or Venus yeah and they were finding

964
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:07,140
stuff they it it's either they were just

965
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:09,480
completely negligent didn't care either

966
00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:11,400
it went somewhere else and they actually

967
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,320
worked on it or

968
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,119
you know or they were that stupid which

969
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,280
I don't think they were but you know you

970
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:19,440
know like me there is so many instances

971
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:22,980
where there's radar tracks and visual

972
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:25,380
um corroborating the the movement of the

973
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:28,140
object and at the end of the day

974
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:29,640
um they would call it the the guys

975
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:31,800
looking at Venus and we have anomalous

976
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,920
propagation here they would separate the

977
00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:37,680
two parts of the case and then try and

978
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:40,020
basically debunk them in isolation so as

979
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:41,940
you say they would then say oh well if

980
00:36:47,050 --> 00:36:44,280
they saw Venus and then it just happened

981
00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:47,060
to coincide with a radar anomaly

982
00:36:51,550 --> 00:36:49,619
and yeah yeah

983
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:51,560
right

984
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,700
especially when they would see something

985
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:56,160
first and then turn on their radar sets

986
00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:02,150
I've just finished writing about the um

987
00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:05,220
the 5354 ones as you're aware and right

988
00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:07,020
there's a few cases there but I'm also

989
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:08,760
right I'm starting to write about the 55

990
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,980
56 ones and there's a few in there as

991
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:12,240
well and it's exactly the same thing

992
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,520
they're basically trying sort of like

993
00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:16,560
divide and conquer almost it's a oh yeah

994
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:18,599
well we can't say that these things too

995
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:20,280
things are linked because that might

996
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,780
suggest that this is actually real what

997
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,460
we're looking at so oh yeah we're going

998
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:25,500
to make an explanation for this one and

999
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:26,940
now we've also got to make up an

1000
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:28,859
explanation for this and it sounds more

1001
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:31,560
crazy than actually what the pilots are

1002
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:33,480
saying in the first place right which is

1003
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:37,980
like what yeah yeah incredible Venus

1004
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:40,380
just shot up out of the sky and I and I

1005
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:43,920
lost it well man we got to get Galileo

1006
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:45,300
back working on this stuff or something

1007
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,119
I don't know yeah you would think there

1008
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,160
would be more these cases you you would

1009
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,839
think if people were saying things like

1010
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:54,240
Venus and radar anomalies you know they

1011
00:37:57,770 --> 00:37:56,220
were propping up you know time after

1012
00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:57,780
time you thought there would be even

1013
00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:59,820
more cases you're thinking even more

1014
00:38:04,010 --> 00:38:01,560
pilots will be seeing Venus not knowing

1015
00:38:05,569 --> 00:38:04,020
what it was and strange radar cases

1016
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:05,579
where people were going oh that's a UFO

1017
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:08,040
but no you know it was just these

1018
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,540
isolated cases but there were still

1019
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,480
chalked it was those yeah and and

1020
00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:14,820
important installations too you know

1021
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:18,780
like it in the fridge the thing that

1022
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:20,940
always got me was like Hey if if you're

1023
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:25,020
having these uh anomalous propagation uh

1024
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:27,900
radar anomaly situations first of all

1025
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:29,880
like why have you not fixed that yet

1026
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,420
like you had this going on from 47 till

1027
00:38:38,329 --> 00:38:35,280
you know what

1028
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,339
I'm sure until this day but why is that

1029
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,800
something that you haven't got a handle

1030
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:42,720
on yet pretty much it were the earlier

1031
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:44,040
Radars where they were a bit kind of

1032
00:38:48,589 --> 00:38:46,500
glitchy and um like it was good as the

1033
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,599
new ones but now the new ones the Spy

1034
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,640
one radar the one that when they did the

1035
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:52,800
upgrade it caught all those the Tic Tacs

1036
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:55,320
coming down from 80 000 feet you know it

1037
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:57,060
was it does that mean that was kind of

1038
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:58,560
like glitchy you know was there a

1039
00:39:01,069 --> 00:39:00,060
problem with that well no there are the

1040
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:01,079
people that looked at it said it was

1041
00:39:05,950 --> 00:39:03,300
working well that was an astronomical

1042
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:05,960
event that they were witnessing in

1043
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:09,960
it was pesky meteor radar there's

1044
00:39:15,970 --> 00:39:12,119
probably million dollar radar system

1045
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:18,890
on an aside here the meteoroid they

1046
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:20,520
actually call it an asteroid falling off

1047
00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:23,520
on BBC News it was only a meteor across

1048
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:24,839
it's only a meteor across it's a

1049
00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:27,420
meteorite the one that um exploded of

1050
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:29,400
the of the English Channel um like last

1051
00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:31,380
night or early this morning right that's

1052
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:33,900
an amazing like time as a coincidence

1053
00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:35,940
just when the Americans are shooting

1054
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:37,859
down spy Billings and there's all this

1055
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:46,569
[Laughter]

1056
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:48,780
they're shooting off all over the place

1057
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,119
yeah you know that's the thing about us

1058
00:39:54,650 --> 00:39:53,280
ufologists is we have to wear a lot of

1059
00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:54,660
different hats you know we have to be

1060
00:39:59,630 --> 00:39:57,180
somewhat astronomers yeah you know we

1061
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,640
have to know about aircraft radar sets

1062
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:01,920
all that kind of stuff yeah but the the

1063
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,119
you know it's it's just incredible how

1064
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:08,640
you know we're also witnessing how the

1065
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:10,500
public reacts to all this like what if

1066
00:40:15,310 --> 00:40:13,020
they were like alien ships or something

1067
00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:15,320
or whatever

1068
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:17,820
intelligence yeah you don't have to go

1069
00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:19,260
too far away from what's happening at

1070
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:21,900
the moment to actually envisage a time

1071
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:23,640
when that might be true

1072
00:40:26,089 --> 00:40:24,660
um you know the fact that you've got

1073
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:26,099
these kind of anomalous things flying

1074
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:27,480
around let's say for argument's sake

1075
00:40:30,770 --> 00:40:28,619
that there was something you know

1076
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:30,780
visiting and it appears in different

1077
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,280
parts of the country and over the world

1078
00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:34,079
and air forces are going up and they

1079
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:35,820
can't quite get you know to shoot them

1080
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:37,020
down

1081
00:40:40,910 --> 00:40:39,420
um or they do try even and maybe the

1082
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,920
shoot down one or two or they or they

1083
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,720
fail in the process but then you have

1084
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:44,160
you know that's the math and you have

1085
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:45,780
the press conferences and you have all

1086
00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:48,780
the news all all the all TV coverage on

1087
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:50,099
the news

1088
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:56,089
scenario played out on Twitter already

1089
00:41:00,970 --> 00:40:57,599
people are suggesting that's the case

1090
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:00,980
yeah what else are we gonna do right

1091
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,480
I can understand why people you know

1092
00:41:07,609 --> 00:41:05,040
want that to happen and therefore they

1093
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:07,619
it it just goes on from there but I

1094
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,660
still think these are are prosaic and

1095
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:12,960
I'm afraid yeah yeah explain why why I'm

1096
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:14,460
not I don't disagree with you but

1097
00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:16,260
explain what your thought process and

1098
00:41:19,849 --> 00:41:18,119
why you think that's the case I think

1099
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,859
it's just I mean the first thing is just

1100
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:21,359
because they seem to be really easy to

1101
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:24,359
shoot down that's the the first thing

1102
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:25,800
that's the probably the most important

1103
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:28,560
thing I think is because let's I mean if

1104
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:30,060
you go back to the Tic Tac and how

1105
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:32,280
maneuverable it was and how fast it was

1106
00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:35,640
then with that you know be able to be

1107
00:41:39,650 --> 00:41:38,040
shot down I know I had somebody coming

1108
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,660
back to me when I made a similar comment

1109
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:40,800
on Twitter the other day and they said

1110
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:42,060
well yes it could because it could be

1111
00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:44,280
locked on by radar well I don't know if

1112
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:45,540
that's the case just because something

1113
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:47,099
can be seen on radar doesn't mean to say

1114
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,780
it can be shut down

1115
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:50,160
um you know it all depends on the

1116
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:52,020
capability of whatever's you're firing

1117
00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:56,460
at so it's not that it's not that simple

1118
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:58,740
um so you know if

1119
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,900
that's the first thing

1120
00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:02,640
um because these things just drift about

1121
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:04,619
they don't really have that much control

1122
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:05,940
over them

1123
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:07,500
um and the fact that the Chinese fire

1124
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:08,940
balloon that could shoot a Sidewinder

1125
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:10,380
right through it so they just popped it

1126
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:11,640
basically because we saw the footage

1127
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:14,040
which seems quite dangerous to do if you

1128
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:15,359
were if you were to do it over land

1129
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:16,619
right because the thing didn't even

1130
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:19,140
explode because it's you know latex or

1131
00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:20,520
whatever the hell it's made out of so

1132
00:42:23,870 --> 00:42:22,020
where's the thing going to land that

1133
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,880
seems dangerous well I just came down

1134
00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:25,680
the sea didn't it and then of course the

1135
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:27,300
the one that was it the one that the

1136
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,560
shot down over

1137
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,240
um which I can't forget now I get

1138
00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:31,680
confused as it was the second or the

1139
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:34,859
fourth one it it broke up into bits

1140
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:37,020
um so that's obviously you know

1141
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:38,640
something more of a structure rather

1142
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:40,140
than the craft but then again it might

1143
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:41,400
be just out in the description we don't

1144
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,500
know we haven't gotten information uh

1145
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:45,119
but it seems like these don't

1146
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,400
necessarily you know sort of match UAP

1147
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:49,440
because uip tend to have quite

1148
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:52,640
extraordinary kind of performance

1149
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,920
yeah how many reports have we read uh

1150
00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:58,079
from the olden days where Pilots were

1151
00:43:02,270 --> 00:42:59,700
actually vectored towards the tracks

1152
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:02,280
they actually had got an eye on it and

1153
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:04,020
when they got to a certain distance from

1154
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:07,319
it yeah but also go back to the the

1155
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,540
World War II the Foo Fighters and not

1156
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:11,040
the the lights but the actual things

1157
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:12,300
that were seen flying off behind

1158
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:14,280
aircraft and the ones that were fired at

1159
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,380
the stuff I've written about

1160
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:18,480
um you know they were in effectively

1161
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:20,760
invulnerable to bullets going into them

1162
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,260
so I can't think there'd be any

1163
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:24,480
different from missile to be honest

1164
00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:27,240
um so you know if we're looking at those

1165
00:43:31,010 --> 00:43:29,339
kind of things and if this is a you know

1166
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:31,020
if these were anything on on that kind

1167
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:34,020
of level then again you know if you fire

1168
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:35,339
something at it you know whether it be

1169
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:37,140
kind of a Canon shells or a missile is

1170
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,780
it going to do any damage you know so I

1171
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:41,760
I just don't know

1172
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,560
um I mean people are saying well if you

1173
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,880
can if you can see it you can track it

1174
00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:46,800
you can kill it but I'm not entirely

1175
00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:49,160
sure it's that that simple yeah

1176
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,960
sorry gone no I was just going to say

1177
00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:53,819
especially with uh you know how complex

1178
00:43:59,569 --> 00:43:57,060
our sensor systems are now it seems like

1179
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:59,579
um you know it's not a catch-all and you

1180
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:01,319
have to tune it for certain objects it's

1181
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:03,180
a credible incredible to me that we

1182
00:44:07,069 --> 00:44:05,460
don't have like maybe multiple types of

1183
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:07,079
Radars that all look for different

1184
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:08,700
things in different places but

1185
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:12,060
apparently you know we don't but

1186
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:14,940
um one good thing is however these um

1187
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,640
especially the f-16s that went up um

1188
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,160
after the the thing above Lake Huron was

1189
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:23,040
a 20 000 feet it was they had a they had

1190
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:25,020
I think um what they call sniper pods on

1191
00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:26,640
them which are like kind of targeting

1192
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,099
and kind of try um recording equipment

1193
00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:31,680
so they might have uh sort of like some

1194
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:33,720
high definition kind of like you know uh

1195
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:36,420
footage of what it was before they

1196
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,319
brought it down you think we'll see it

1197
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:42,720
um well there's a question in the press

1198
00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:45,240
conference wasn't it because if they do

1199
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:47,700
show it there's no reason to not show

1200
00:44:50,109 --> 00:44:48,839
other ones

1201
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:50,119
I know

1202
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:53,520
it's setting a present isn't it so you

1203
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,260
know it the fact that they came out with

1204
00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:57,359
well the footage of it of the balloon

1205
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,740
being popped

1206
00:45:03,130 --> 00:45:00,480
now I can't remember whether that was

1207
00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:03,140
official or whether that was yeah

1208
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:05,339
I don't think it was official footage

1209
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:09,060
was it so I don't think as you have just

1210
00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:10,200
said there I don't think they're going

1211
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,119
to release it anytime soon and I think

1212
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:13,920
they're like try and sort of Wiggle out

1213
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,540
of it by its uh you know oh it's

1214
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:16,800
classified you know we've got too much

1215
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:18,359
information around it like we do with

1216
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,800
other footage you know like they've said

1217
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:21,119
well things are we can't release that

1218
00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:22,980
because there's too much kind of

1219
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:24,300
classified information around the

1220
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:25,800
targeting and about the tracking and all

1221
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:27,540
the rest of it so I can understand why

1222
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:29,160
they might want to get out of it by by

1223
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,220
that but Kirby didn't shut the door on

1224
00:45:37,069 --> 00:45:34,319
that did he all he said was he'll have

1225
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:37,079
to ask the dood that's that was what his

1226
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,400
response was and he was I think that's

1227
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:40,319
what he's response to the day was to a

1228
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,160
similar question so yeah and if you if

1229
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:46,079
you fire that question at the dod well

1230
00:45:50,890 --> 00:45:48,420
they're not gonna we know that girl

1231
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:50,900
sorry listen Kirby

1232
00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:53,460
stop wasting your time let me tell you

1233
00:46:02,210 --> 00:45:56,460
how this works I wonder if um anybody

1234
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:05,089
yeah no that brings me kind of to an

1235
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:06,480
interesting point or interesting

1236
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:08,579
question how do you think uh you know in

1237
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:10,740
any way that that that you think makes

1238
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:13,140
sense how do you think these recent

1239
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:15,900
events will affect

1240
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,319
um you know genuine UAP or Arrow or you

1241
00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:20,880
know getting information on genuinely

1242
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:23,700
anomalous things and just how it's

1243
00:46:27,410 --> 00:46:25,740
treated in the in the Press too how do

1244
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,420
you think all this will affect that well

1245
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:29,520
I think I think the people who um are

1246
00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:31,980
anti-uap you know the debunkers and the

1247
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:36,119
people like um Jason colovito and um Mr

1248
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:39,060
Barnes uh the New York Times writer I

1249
00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:40,140
think they're the people who are going

1250
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:41,880
to like just go oh well here you know

1251
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:43,260
here's Vindication for everything we've

1252
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,900
been saying these are just balloons you

1253
00:46:50,109 --> 00:46:48,000
know all the unidentified stuff the car

1254
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:50,119
that didn't get a description in the UAP

1255
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,400
reports uh the first and second one all

1256
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,440
the ones that they can't identify are

1257
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:57,119
just balloons so that's probably what

1258
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,980
they're gonna like just pin it all on

1259
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,260
and you can understand why they do that

1260
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,780
but that'll be the easy kind of out for

1261
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,359
them

1262
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,680
sorry well I was just going to say do

1263
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,720
you think at least their mentality of

1264
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:11,760
how they feel about an office like Arrow

1265
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:13,500
will change I mean because not

1266
00:47:16,930 --> 00:47:14,760
necessarily that they'll find anything

1267
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:16,940
otherworldly but they're finding things

1268
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:20,880
that we haven't found before that could

1269
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,859
be dangerous so that's positive right

1270
00:47:27,069 --> 00:47:25,200
can they still bash the effort so I was

1271
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,079
going to get on to that because yes

1272
00:47:32,270 --> 00:47:30,000
we'll debunk because and they will take

1273
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:32,280
that as being they're just all balloons

1274
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:34,740
or something similar but

1275
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:38,160
meanwhile the people who run the UAP the

1276
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,440
RO and you're looking for UAP and the

1277
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:43,200
people who are directing them to do so

1278
00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:46,020
see all this happening now and realize

1279
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,839
the fact that this is useful this is you

1280
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:50,460
know this is actually imperative even

1281
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,680
it's a it's an intelligence Gap that

1282
00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:54,480
hasn't been plugged

1283
00:47:58,430 --> 00:47:56,280
um so yeah okay it's an easy job just to

1284
00:47:59,930 --> 00:47:58,440
fiddle about with the radar but you know

1285
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,940
you still then have to collect the

1286
00:48:02,569 --> 00:48:01,440
information you have to be able to do

1287
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:02,579
something with it you have to know it's

1288
00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:04,440
Trends you have to try and track these

1289
00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:05,940
things back to their Source you have to

1290
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,380
do a whole lot of other kind of analysis

1291
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:09,359
work around them you know it's not just

1292
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:10,619
a case of shooting them down because

1293
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:12,780
well you know any fool can do that kind

1294
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:15,000
of thing to a point but you know there's

1295
00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:16,560
a lot more information around it that's

1296
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:18,060
you know one of the reasons why they

1297
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:19,500
said they left it alone so long because

1298
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:21,180
they want to like to to see what it was

1299
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:22,980
doing and get some more intelligence

1300
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:25,920
kind of value from from tracking it and

1301
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,900
observing it and all the rest of it so

1302
00:48:31,609 --> 00:48:29,520
therefore it's easy just to shoot one of

1303
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:31,619
these things down to a point but you

1304
00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:34,380
need to know a lot more around it so

1305
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:37,380
that's another side of it but in the

1306
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:40,140
meantime yes it's important because if

1307
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:42,660
they do start ramping up the UAP kind of

1308
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:45,480
information collection then who knows

1309
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:47,940
what else might come up from it you know

1310
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:50,339
right what else might be found what else

1311
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:52,440
what other information might they

1312
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:54,300
discover they might discover a whole lot

1313
00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:56,460
of other things which aren't related but

1314
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:58,440
end up in the same net

1315
00:49:02,329 --> 00:48:59,839
yeah

1316
00:49:04,849 --> 00:49:02,339
let me let me ask you this I I can't

1317
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:04,859
Square this circle and I don't I don't

1318
00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:08,400
know if I ever will be able to but um

1319
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:10,980
you know so you have there's there's

1320
00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:12,900
this crash retrieval stuff being talked

1321
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,300
about that's that's pretty hot in in the

1322
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:17,520
the UFO Twitter sphere right

1323
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,319
um because of the Wilson Davis notes or

1324
00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:20,640
whatever

1325
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:22,920
um Jacques valet's recent book that kind

1326
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:24,780
of seems to confirm some of the stories

1327
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:26,280
that were told not that they're accurate

1328
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:28,140
but that the stories have in fact been

1329
00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:30,780
told by important people

1330
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:33,660
um and and then you have like a

1331
00:49:36,589 --> 00:49:35,460
statement by John Kirby where he's like

1332
00:49:38,809 --> 00:49:36,599
in fact

1333
00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:38,819
um you know this Administration is

1334
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,420
taking these phenomenon uh seriously and

1335
00:49:47,390 --> 00:49:44,640
it's for the first time as as we may not

1336
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:47,400
have taken it so seriously before so can

1337
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:49,500
both of those things be true can there

1338
00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:53,099
be a government Rogue operation on you

1339
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:56,040
know reverse engineered flag saucers and

1340
00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:58,260
the government finally in 2023 taking it

1341
00:50:01,309 --> 00:49:59,339
seriously

1342
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,319
depends how big these programs have been

1343
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,119
historically I guess and you know how

1344
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:05,280
much kind of like uh clout the people

1345
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:07,560
who run them have and how much money

1346
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,480
they can squirrel away from defense

1347
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,520
budgets or any other type of budget to

1348
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:13,680
funnel into these programs right I guess

1349
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,000
there are things that have been hidden

1350
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:17,520
for a long time uh in other kind of you

1351
00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:19,560
know Fields Etc

1352
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:21,060
um I can envisioned that kind of thing

1353
00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:22,560
happening but if the weather crash

1354
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,819
retrievals have happened in the past

1355
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,920
again I don't know I've heard all the

1356
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:27,599
stories you know I've read a lot I've

1357
00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:29,460
read them for years I'm still don't know

1358
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:31,079
whether they're true or not that it's

1359
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:33,000
one of these things where I'd like I'd

1360
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:34,680
probably like them to be true

1361
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:36,599
um but that doesn't mean to say

1362
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:38,220
um you know sort of I'm gonna say they

1363
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:40,980
are because I I simply don't know and

1364
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:42,660
things like Roswell and a lot of other

1365
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:44,339
stories uh stories that are out there

1366
00:50:47,569 --> 00:50:46,260
there's still kind of competing

1367
00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:47,579
narratives

1368
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:49,859
um there are witnesses who aren't quite

1369
00:50:54,049 --> 00:50:51,660
what they say they are a lot of the time

1370
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:54,059
so it's kind of muddies the water again

1371
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:55,740
um you know there's an element there'll

1372
00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:57,000
be a core element of Truth somewhere

1373
00:51:01,549 --> 00:50:58,680
along the lines in all of these stories

1374
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:01,559
but as to what how much goes beyond that

1375
00:51:06,349 --> 00:51:04,140
I simply don't know but yeah I would

1376
00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:06,359
love a lot of it to be true can it sort

1377
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:07,619
of coincide with what's happening now

1378
00:51:11,809 --> 00:51:09,480
yes of course it can

1379
00:51:13,609 --> 00:51:11,819
um you know it just because one side or

1380
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:13,619
one part of government or something

1381
00:51:16,849 --> 00:51:15,059
looked after by certain people in

1382
00:51:18,589 --> 00:51:16,859
government might be doing one thing it

1383
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:18,599
doesn't say that the people who we're

1384
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:21,000
looking at now talking about all this

1385
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,220
actually know what's happening there so

1386
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:24,720
you know it could be two separate

1387
00:51:27,049 --> 00:51:26,040
factions

1388
00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:27,059
um you know you've got the government

1389
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:29,099
who we know and love doing all this

1390
00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:31,140
stuff in the open now and we've got this

1391
00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:32,339
you know kind of people behind the

1392
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:34,020
scenes who for whatever reason are

1393
00:51:37,130 --> 00:51:35,460
keeping everything on the on the quiet

1394
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:37,140
you know getting on with what they've

1395
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:39,180
been doing for the last 78 years who

1396
00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:40,260
knows

1397
00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:41,819
um that's just me topping on the top of

1398
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,859
my head I'm not putting that including

1399
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,599
yeah I'm not putting that across as a

1400
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,280
fact at all uh because I have no

1401
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,720
evidence to back any of that up that's

1402
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:50,160
just me just talking off the top of my

1403
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,000
head yeah

1404
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,800
we're just imagining how both could be

1405
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:54,720
true at the same time yeah

1406
00:51:59,329 --> 00:51:57,480
um and and that's a good point you know

1407
00:52:00,890 --> 00:51:59,339
um a lot a lot of these programs seem to

1408
00:52:03,230 --> 00:52:00,900
be outside of the normal budgeting

1409
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:03,240
appropriation process so if if that's

1410
00:52:08,270 --> 00:52:05,400
the case and something super black uh

1411
00:52:10,750 --> 00:52:08,280
someone like John Kirby might have uh no

1412
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:14,150
yeah you have no idea whatsoever and of

1413
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:15,420
course he's he's just reacting to

1414
00:52:18,589 --> 00:52:16,859
information that's being sent in and

1415
00:52:21,049 --> 00:52:18,599
passing the chain he's got he's got no

1416
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:21,059
real insight into any of it

1417
00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:23,220
um but the crusher the crash retrievals

1418
00:52:26,450 --> 00:52:24,300
I mean you're talking about you know

1419
00:52:28,430 --> 00:52:26,460
retrievals they're having a hell of a

1420
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:28,440
job trying to get you know find the bits

1421
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:29,880
that were not in Alaska on the Yukon

1422
00:52:34,609 --> 00:52:31,980
aren't they so well it's it's obviously

1423
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:34,619
a very inhospitable area especially this

1424
00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:36,839
time of year so I can understand how how

1425
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,059
difficult it might be to try and find

1426
00:52:44,270 --> 00:52:42,000
the bits of this and we've seen you know

1427
00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:44,280
I'm gonna be that guy I guess but and

1428
00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:46,380
we've seen reports like that in Blue

1429
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,260
Book you know where something has

1430
00:52:52,910 --> 00:52:51,119
crashed whether you know they thought it

1431
00:52:55,849 --> 00:52:52,920
was a part of a satellite or this or

1432
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:55,859
that nunuistry in terrain that they

1433
00:53:00,049 --> 00:52:57,540
couldn't access so they just said forget

1434
00:53:01,730 --> 00:53:00,059
it you know but this time they're

1435
00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:01,740
actually retrieving it how frustrating

1436
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,540
would that be though if you could get

1437
00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:06,240
through all that ice you know and and

1438
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:07,980
just Trek all the way up the mountain

1439
00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:10,200
takes you three days just like that show

1440
00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:12,119
naked and afraid you're at the end of

1441
00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:14,579
the trip and you're starving no water

1442
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:16,740
finally you get there and it's just like

1443
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:23,870
and then you have to come out on

1444
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:26,040
national TV and go

1445
00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:27,960
here it is

1446
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:31,859
made in China China

1447
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:34,260
in China with the big middle finger up

1448
00:53:38,210 --> 00:53:37,260
yeah oh man that would be frustrating

1449
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:38,220
um

1450
00:53:42,910 --> 00:53:40,740
so what are you

1451
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:42,920
I guess what are

1452
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,300
in the end do you think this helps or

1453
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:48,480
hurts the the genuine UAP cause I think

1454
00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:50,339
it's like I think it's a bit of both so

1455
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,859
I think it hurts because people are

1456
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:54,720
going to think oh well everything that's

1457
00:53:59,329 --> 00:53:56,819
being talked about are just balloons of

1458
00:54:01,309 --> 00:53:59,339
one striper yeah so I think that's the

1459
00:54:03,049 --> 00:54:01,319
downside but I think the upside is

1460
00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:03,059
actually that if there's a kind of

1461
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,619
collective effort to like you know sort

1462
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:07,200
of take even just the collection

1463
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,780
seriously so you know Ro and anything

1464
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:11,280
else that might decide to you know if

1465
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,800
they decide to ramp it up and or or do

1466
00:54:17,809 --> 00:54:16,200
something else with the kind of the the

1467
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,819
information gathering side of things

1468
00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:19,920
that can only be good because hopefully

1469
00:54:22,849 --> 00:54:21,480
you know in the overall collection

1470
00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:22,859
process we'll come up with some other

1471
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:26,280
information that is are on balloons and

1472
00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:29,220
might be truly anomalous yeah but that

1473
00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:31,380
but you know whichever side of that

1474
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:34,200
actually equation is in the you know um

1475
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,839
is more than the other so I can't help

1476
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:38,640
but think that the downside will be the

1477
00:54:42,170 --> 00:54:40,380
one that comes up because it'll be the

1478
00:54:43,790 --> 00:54:42,180
voices they'll be the louder voices

1479
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:43,800
saying oh this is all just balloons and

1480
00:54:47,569 --> 00:54:45,660
you know full well the media will latch

1481
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,579
on to that because that's the bit they

1482
00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:50,240
can cope with you know yeah

1483
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:52,140
we've seen the fact that they've shot

1484
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,540
one down so therefore they'll go oh yeah

1485
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:55,920
well these are just balloons and then

1486
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:57,420
the questions will come the next time

1487
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,460
there's a you know Lou or or somebody

1488
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:01,200
else or Chris melon or somebody else

1489
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:04,020
turns up on national TV and and talks

1490
00:55:08,829 --> 00:55:05,760
about this issue somebody will ask him

1491
00:55:13,069 --> 00:55:08,839
no doubt aren't all these just balloons

1492
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,079
no doubt yeah no doubt yeah I do think

1493
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:14,880
it's interesting how this could be kind

1494
00:55:19,549 --> 00:55:17,160
of positioned too

1495
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:19,559
uh get everyone on the same team though

1496
00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:22,140
so to speak you know actually

1497
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:24,540
get getting us closer to a point where

1498
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:27,240
it's like we're just we just want

1499
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:28,980
information that's all we're looking for

1500
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:31,619
you know whatever the object is we just

1501
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:35,520
want to beat this to be safe and to know

1502
00:55:40,130 --> 00:55:37,740
what the objects are at this point if

1503
00:55:41,809 --> 00:55:40,140
you care about your country you know you

1504
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,819
should because of these recent events

1505
00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:44,400
most uh you know especially

1506
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:46,440
we should all be on the same team at

1507
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:48,540
this point which is which is you know

1508
00:55:51,650 --> 00:55:49,980
interesting how that's kind of

1509
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:51,660
positioned now I think because of this

1510
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:53,819
because maybe before you know people

1511
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:56,280
didn't really care Oh balloons big deal

1512
00:56:01,970 --> 00:55:58,680
blah blah we don't need to spend a bunch

1513
00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:01,980
of money looking for that well now I

1514
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:04,020
think that tone maybe would change a

1515
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:05,700
little bit which would yeah put us in

1516
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:08,640
the same bench so

1517
00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:11,520
it's uh yeah I mean even our prime

1518
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:13,020
minister came out I think earlier today

1519
00:56:16,730 --> 00:56:15,420
yeah tell me about that yeah well he was

1520
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:16,740
asked the question

1521
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:18,300
um and he said and he said I'm

1522
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:19,800
paraphrasing he says we've got a quick

1523
00:56:23,809 --> 00:56:21,540
reaction alert

1524
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:23,819
um some Force here uh and there you're

1525
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:26,700
around 24 7 and they you know they they

1526
00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:28,920
would uh take care of this

1527
00:56:32,329 --> 00:56:30,420
um so that's basically how a typhoon

1528
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:32,339
aircraft and they would they would

1529
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,780
hopefully fly down Jude and fight with

1530
00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:36,240
missile offers offered something and you

1531
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:37,380
would expect it would be dealt with the

1532
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:39,180
same way as them as you guys have done

1533
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:40,740
to probably wait until it went over the

1534
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,180
North Sea or the Atlantic or somewhere

1535
00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:45,119
and shoot it down then yeah what changes

1536
00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:46,920
I guess too is yeah that some of these

1537
00:56:53,870 --> 00:56:50,460
objects unknown objects even

1538
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,880
um are perceived as threats that was

1539
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:55,200
never the case back in the old days

1540
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:56,940
either but then again the the the

1541
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:59,099
ministry defense in the UK have said

1542
00:57:02,510 --> 00:57:00,720
that there's nothing in the last 50

1543
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,520
years have constituted any kind of

1544
00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:05,520
matter of Defense significance and that

1545
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:08,099
includes the Calvin object from August

1546
00:57:13,549 --> 00:57:10,980
1990. so you have to wonder if you know

1547
00:57:15,309 --> 00:57:13,559
what's changed in that

1548
00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:15,319
um

1549
00:57:20,089 --> 00:57:17,819
just can't be true especially if we have

1550
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:20,099
objects like that uh you know the US

1551
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,660
government says that they don't know

1552
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:24,240
what it is right and they shot it down

1553
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,220
but it was a threat because it was in

1554
00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:28,559
commercial uh you know Airlines or

1555
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,140
whatever like that has to be the case

1556
00:57:34,809 --> 00:57:34,079
somewhere else like uh you know Britain

1557
00:57:37,849 --> 00:57:34,819
too

1558
00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:37,859
so well we'd certainly be asking a UAP

1559
00:57:41,329 --> 00:57:39,540
media we'd certainly be asking questions

1560
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,339
of politicians saying well if you've

1561
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:43,920
shut that down why on you know all these

1562
00:57:48,770 --> 00:57:46,400
incidents over the last 50 years

1563
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:48,780
well why why are they of Defense

1564
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:50,520
significance yeah why wouldn't you take

1565
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:52,920
them so seriously so yeah it would be I

1566
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:54,900
think you know and other people would be

1567
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,460
asking similar questions

1568
00:58:02,530 --> 00:57:59,040
that's because non-human intelligence

1569
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:02,540
exists and they're friendly

1570
00:58:09,049 --> 00:58:05,520
they have a deal that goes back to

1571
00:58:12,049 --> 00:58:09,059
Eisenhower all right give you some

1572
00:58:15,049 --> 00:58:12,059
technology we take some of your people

1573
00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:15,059
and we'll be nice to you that's awesome

1574
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,800
my new followers on Twitter have been

1575
00:58:20,930 --> 00:58:19,200
saying in DMS things like that I've been

1576
00:58:22,849 --> 00:58:20,940
getting a lot of stuff recently about um

1577
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:22,859
people are very sure about what's being

1578
00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:26,480
happening and that's I I don't see

1579
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,160
whenever I approach a scenario like this

1580
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:31,200
one like you know having a podcast like

1581
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:32,880
I have to have an opinion A lot of my

1582
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:34,980
stuff is you know opinion based when I

1583
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:37,110
don't have a guest or whatever so

1584
00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:37,740
[Music]

1585
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:38,280
um

1586
00:58:42,430 --> 00:58:40,020
you know when I approached this I'm like

1587
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:42,440
okay we have an unknown object right

1588
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,660
this is no different than if I were to

1589
00:58:50,930 --> 00:58:48,000
read a blue book report and it was

1590
00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:50,940
called unidentified or or whatever like

1591
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,619
how do you treat that do I just think

1592
00:58:58,010 --> 00:58:55,200
it's aliens because it says unidentified

1593
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:58,020
that we couldn't identify it or do I

1594
00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:00,660
think it's prosaic the question the

1595
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:04,920
answer is I don't know yeah I don't know

1596
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,500
no people shouldn't be afraid to say

1597
00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:09,359
that it shouldn't be the case that you

1598
00:59:13,370 --> 00:59:10,740
have to come up with a theory and then

1599
00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:13,380
stick to it because information we get

1600
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:15,000
new information all the time every day

1601
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,680
there's a new bit of information comes

1602
00:59:20,450 --> 00:59:18,720
through from somewhere and therefore you

1603
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:20,460
know whatever position you have might

1604
00:59:25,849 --> 00:59:23,339
end up changing so don't weld yourself

1605
00:59:28,450 --> 00:59:25,859
to the fact that it's right that they're

1606
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:28,460
um you know palladians or venusians or

1607
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:31,619
light beings or you or Galactic

1608
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,780
Federation or you name it you know

1609
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:35,520
chances are you're going to be wrong

1610
00:59:40,130 --> 00:59:37,859
well what's the worst case three out

1611
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:40,140
here so like what if you latch onto the

1612
00:59:45,230 --> 00:59:43,380
you know the Pleiadians or or whatever

1613
00:59:46,910 --> 00:59:45,240
um that these objects are and you're

1614
00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:46,920
like gung-ho and this is what's going on

1615
00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:48,599
they're getting ready for disclosure

1616
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,700
they're gonna show us hey we shot this

1617
00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:52,559
down pretend everything in the past

1618
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:53,880
never happened

1619
00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:55,920
and then you're wrong well guess what

1620
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,440
you look like an idiot and what else

1621
01:00:02,809 --> 01:00:00,240
happens like the more people that do

1622
01:00:05,150 --> 01:00:02,819
that in the UFO Community the worse the

1623
01:00:08,690 --> 01:00:05,160
whole Community looks the less relevant

1624
01:00:11,870 --> 01:00:08,700
it looks um the more silly it looks the

1625
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:11,880
more we're actually smart about this and

1626
01:00:18,289 --> 01:00:15,119
say I don't know right

1627
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:18,299
um the more people will look at like a

1628
01:00:21,890 --> 01:00:20,460
UFO community and think wow they're

1629
01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:21,900
actually pretty level-headed people

1630
01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:23,819
we've been through a lot before anyway

1631
01:00:28,210 --> 01:00:26,220
through the contactee cups of the you

1632
01:00:31,490 --> 01:00:28,220
know the 50s and 60s

1633
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,500
who said that people from other planets

1634
01:00:34,730 --> 01:00:33,119
Viet well I think he said it was Venus

1635
01:00:36,289 --> 01:00:34,740
but other people before as well have

1636
01:00:37,370 --> 01:00:36,299
said all these things and they're going

1637
01:00:38,690 --> 01:00:37,380
to have meetings and these things are

1638
01:00:41,329 --> 01:00:38,700
going to happen and all the rest of it

1639
01:00:43,309 --> 01:00:41,339
and none of it turned out to be true so

1640
01:00:44,569 --> 01:00:43,319
you know we have been there before but

1641
01:00:46,730 --> 01:00:44,579
it just seems like every so often

1642
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,740
everybody has to reinvent the wheel

1643
01:00:51,289 --> 01:00:48,000
um right and I get you know I get

1644
01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:51,299
messages on my Facebook or from um you

1645
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:53,099
know direct message on Twitter saying

1646
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,240
you don't know what you're talking about

1647
01:00:58,849 --> 01:00:57,119
Greg this is what the truth is and you

1648
01:01:00,890 --> 01:00:58,859
know I've read it before or I've seen it

1649
01:01:04,089 --> 01:01:00,900
somewhere else before it turns out it

1650
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,099
never turns out to be true so yeah yeah

1651
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:06,480
you know do people do yourself a favor

1652
01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:07,980
don't send me those messages because I'm

1653
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:09,780
afraid I don't respond to them too much

1654
01:01:15,289 --> 01:01:12,660
sorry yeah yeah no no I I understand

1655
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:15,299
what you mean but in the end

1656
01:01:20,329 --> 01:01:17,400
there's something unexplainable that

1657
01:01:22,130 --> 01:01:20,339
exists that is the figure takeaway yeah

1658
01:01:23,569 --> 01:01:22,140
that's the big takeaway from everything

1659
01:01:25,309 --> 01:01:23,579
that there's a lot going on that we

1660
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:25,319
simply don't understand and it might be

1661
01:01:29,690 --> 01:01:27,420
that we can't understand it not that we

1662
01:01:31,789 --> 01:01:29,700
you know we don't we just can't we don't

1663
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:31,799
have the capability to do so

1664
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,319
um right and there's there's plenty of

1665
01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:36,480
examples throughout human history where

1666
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,760
we didn't understand something or we're

1667
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:40,799
so dead set that something was different

1668
01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:42,900
and and turned out to be wrong I mean if

1669
01:01:47,089 --> 01:01:44,460
we can't even understand what is

1670
01:01:49,549 --> 01:01:47,099
probably a prosaic object that flew from

1671
01:01:51,170 --> 01:01:49,559
Montana to Michigan and we shot it down

1672
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:51,180
how the hell do you think we're going to

1673
01:01:57,049 --> 01:01:54,720
understand it I think spacecraft I mean

1674
01:01:59,450 --> 01:01:57,059
just that little question there I think

1675
01:02:00,770 --> 01:01:59,460
the the you know the US government I

1676
01:02:02,089 --> 01:02:00,780
think the dod I think they have more

1677
01:02:03,890 --> 01:02:02,099
information that they're not letting on

1678
01:02:05,569 --> 01:02:03,900
so I think they're probably much further

1679
01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:05,579
along the road in terms of understanding

1680
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:07,859
what these things are at the moment

1681
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:09,839
about this point in time you know I'll

1682
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:13,200
bet there's a strong word that you know

1683
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:14,460
they know a lot more than they're

1684
01:02:18,049 --> 01:02:16,380
letting on but that's the way the world

1685
01:02:20,569 --> 01:02:18,059
that's what you know governments and

1686
01:02:22,730 --> 01:02:20,579
depart and defense departments do

1687
01:02:24,289 --> 01:02:22,740
um so they'll have a fair idea but they

1688
01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:24,299
may not have it cast iron but they'll

1689
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,700
have a fair idea yeah well hopefully

1690
01:02:30,049 --> 01:02:28,079
they come out soon with some more

1691
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,059
information there's been a lot out there

1692
01:02:34,609 --> 01:02:32,160
including things like interfering with

1693
01:02:36,650 --> 01:02:34,619
sensors on these planes and in different

1694
01:02:38,210 --> 01:02:36,660
shapes and all that kind of stuff so so

1695
01:02:40,250 --> 01:02:38,220
we'll see what shakes out hopefully

1696
01:02:41,690 --> 01:02:40,260
they'll tell us what you know if any of

1697
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:41,700
that's true we've definitely heard

1698
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:43,680
stories like that too back in Blue Book

1699
01:02:49,069 --> 01:02:47,280
of we just yeah so you know on the one

1700
01:02:51,170 --> 01:02:49,079
hand it's not surprising

1701
01:02:53,930 --> 01:02:51,180
um on the other hand you know it makes

1702
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:53,940
people think it's a spaceship so they

1703
01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:55,920
need to be for a threat with with the

1704
01:03:00,530 --> 01:02:57,960
information hopefully that helps and if

1705
01:03:03,049 --> 01:03:00,540
it really is some sort of weird thing

1706
01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:03,059
um hopefully they tell us so yeah yeah

1707
01:03:08,089 --> 01:03:05,220
but I thank you for your time is there

1708
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:08,099
anything else that you want to either

1709
01:03:13,250 --> 01:03:11,460
talk about or or whatever before we two

1710
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:13,260
things okay sure uh yeah there'll be

1711
01:03:17,690 --> 01:03:16,260
another book coming out shortly uh I'm

1712
01:03:19,309 --> 01:03:17,700
just waiting for the artwork

1713
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:19,319
um and you know a little bit about this

1714
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:21,480
and your workers without a conversation

1715
01:03:25,549 --> 01:03:22,799
about it

1716
01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:25,559
um and the other thing is

1717
01:03:31,010 --> 01:03:27,720
um I was invited to speak at Roswell

1718
01:03:31,870 --> 01:03:31,020
this year so

1719
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:31,880
um

1720
01:03:36,349 --> 01:03:34,559
very uh my colleague Vinnie as well is

1721
01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:36,359
is going out uh so we're traveling after

1722
01:03:41,809 --> 01:03:39,180
British Invasion the British Invasion so

1723
01:03:43,210 --> 01:03:41,819
yeah and the June begin in July then

1724
01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:43,220
yeah

1725
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,920
Ground Zero for UFOs it's gonna be hot

1726
01:03:50,569 --> 01:03:48,960
July in New Mexico I was just thinking

1727
01:03:52,130 --> 01:03:50,579
about that it's gonna be like 120

1728
01:03:53,870 --> 01:03:52,140
freaking degrees they have air

1729
01:03:55,609 --> 01:03:53,880
conditioning wherever you could be you

1730
01:03:57,770 --> 01:03:55,619
know where I live don't you so you know

1731
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:57,780
it's additionally a quite a cold and wet

1732
01:04:02,809 --> 01:04:00,960
country in Britain yeah I don't think

1733
01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:02,819
I've built for it for for the heat but

1734
01:04:08,329 --> 01:04:05,880
we'll see yeah well I can't wait for for

1735
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:08,339
your new book you do great work of

1736
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:11,520
course so and you know I I personally

1737
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:14,640
know of uh you know in going through

1738
01:04:18,289 --> 01:04:16,319
those years and Blue Book files some of

1739
01:04:20,089 --> 01:04:18,299
the cases so so I can't wait to see you

1740
01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:20,099
you know what you wrote about and and

1741
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:21,660
how you put it together as you always do

1742
01:04:25,970 --> 01:04:22,559
such a great job with that

1743
01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:25,980
congratulations on the the Roswell uh

1744
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:28,140
UFO or convention

1745
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,760
um I'd like to go to that I'm not

1746
01:04:32,930 --> 01:04:31,680
certain if I can yet but hopefully that

1747
01:04:35,870 --> 01:04:32,940
would be cool to see you guys so

1748
01:04:38,510 --> 01:04:35,880
hopefully that goes well

1749
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:38,520
um yeah and I appreciate your time as

1750
01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:41,119
always thanks for doing this

1751
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:44,819
and we'll see you next time peace out

1752
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,349
[Music]

1753
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,920
a little due respect to the Air Force I